Daily Kos

Fox: Bad timing for a shakedown?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:21:17 AM PDT

This News Hounds story, as well as  this AP article by David Bauder (this link is from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer), combine to make two things clear:

1. Roger Ailes of Fox News has decided to get tough with a particular cable provider, probably as only the first of many.

2. He's picked a really bad time to do that.

More below...

News Hounds describes how Roger Ailes, head of Fox News, is marking his "news" network's 10th anniversary by picking up cable companies, turning them upside down, and waiting for change to come out:


It seems that the Fox News contract with Cablevision is up for renewal and he wants more money, a lot more money. He also let it be known that he plans to continue making changes at the network claiming that he's focusing on the next ten years...

Ailes wants Cablevision to increase [its] payment from 25 cents to one dollar per viewer -- twice the amount CNN receives -- or else. Cablevision is not promising anything beyond 50 cents, so the situation could get very interesting.

Ailes's logic is simple: Fox ratings are well above CNN's, and CNN currently gets about double the payment per subscriber that Fox gets.

That would seem sensible enough. Here's the problem, as any fan of Keith Olbermann's MSNBC show knows quite well (because KO mentions it every chance he gets, bless his little pea-pickin' heart):

Fox News ratings are going down. Worse, the demographics where they're not so bad are among older viewers, and they're not the ones whom advertisers want to reach. From David Bauder's AP article (although it doesn't go into the details of the aging of Fox's viewers):


...the years of explosive growth have ended at Fox. Viewership over the first eight months of the year was down 5 percent compared to 2005, with a steeper 13 percent decline in prime time, according to Nielsen Media Research. For 12 straight months, Fox's prime-time audience has been smaller than the year before. Meanwhile, CNN viewership inched up 5 percent this year through August. On a typical day this year, Fox's audience is 845,000 while CNN's is 466,000.

... The timing is inopportune, since Fox is about to negotiate new fees with cable and satellite providers to replace contracts agreed to when the network first started. As a startup, Fox accepted low fees from cable providers and believes its success made those deals a bargain. Now Fox wants them to pay up, and in some cases is asking providers to quadruple their payments.

... Some believe there's a correlation to the declining popularity of President Bush and concern about the Iraq war. "The rah-rah enthusiasm that was there in 2002, four years later has dissipated," Sorenson said.

Some of the bigger stories of the past year, such as Hurricane Katrina and the wars in the Middle East, played better to the newsgathering strengths of CNN, Heyward said.

(Of course, they've also helped to wake up a previously slumbering electorate, or so the polls would indicate. But that's definitely not news. Continuing from the AP story...)


[Keith] Olbermann's growing popularity -- and growing partisanship -- along with the response to Clinton's "Fox News Sunday" interview also indicate that Fox's foes have less fear about taking the network on.

While Ailes probably will shake down a number of cable providers, keeping his bilge flowing to the open-mouthed who already couldn't be budged off his channel with a blowtorch, there is the serious chance that a number will look at their bottom lines first and his scare tactics second -- and start slowly eroding Fox News's access to the masses. Where cable companies do cave in, they can and will use Fox as one of the chief reasons to wave at who complain when their rates go up. Even the most addicted Fox fans won't like having to pay more for it. (They don't want to pay higher cable rates any more than they want to pay their fair share of taxes.)

Again, from the AP article:


Fox News chief Roger Ailes... this week ...rode the elevator to the 22nd floor of News Corp.'s office tower for an 8:45 a.m. stroll through the network's ad sales department.

Mr. Ailes? What are you doing up here?, someone wondered aloud.

"Taking attendance," the hard-charging motivator replied.

Message delivered...

Ailes also is up to old motivational tricks, including calling the occasional 5 a.m. meeting ("I think it's useful to wake people up and remind them of how they get their paycheck," he said). A large trade publication ad placed recently saying the network was looking for aggressive new producers was seen -- for good reason -- as being directed as much internally as at job seekers.


Such actions and attitudes are those of a man knowingly sitting atop a crumbling foundation.

Regardless of how it comes out, it becomes clear that Fox not only is sinking, but knows it's sinking. The big, brave, bad-ass bully is starting to suck its thumb.

On September 25, Keith Olbermann spoke powerfully about how Bush's "free pass" is over. While we're not quite to the day when we can say the same about Ailes and Fox News, it is at least something we can realistically imagine, now. With enjoyment and hope.

Tags: Fox News, Roger Ailes, cable, cable news, journalism (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 40 comments

  •  hell yeah (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx, vcmvo2, JerseyGirl226

    down with Fox.  

    Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

    by hypersphere01 on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:24:48 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for this hopeful diary. (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    crystal eyes

    I'd heard yesterday that Fox had been firing anchors and that made me quite happy. Good to know.

    I'd like to see those pitiful guys at their 5 am meeting.

    IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

    by Gorette on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:27:54 AM PDT

  •  It can't come soon enough for me... (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx, vcmvo2, bayside

    I expect the cable companies will pay to keep Fox, there are just too many "devoted" watchers.  However.. It won't be as much as much as it would have beentwo years ago.  If they are smart they will put some viewership clauses in the contract,

    And the harder it is Ailes to negotiate new contracts, the harder he will have to look at the decrease in ratings and why.  If he is thinking the next ten years, what does he think will happen to his viewership when Bush is gone?  What will happen as the news in Iraq continues to worsen and viewers turn to alternative news channels since they no longer can accept the "spin" from Fox?

    He is a businessman.  At some level if he thinks the ship (neocons) is sinking, will he get off the boat and try to save his financial hide?  Stay tuned.  (Actually, stay tuned to KO, and anybody else who is doing real reporting.)

    •  oh, this is all bluster (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      vcmvo2

      if it comes right down to it, no matter how much ailes is a "businessman", he'll take a loss to keep foxspews on tv.  Murdoch has shown a willingness to take losses before to make his political point as in the NYpost.  He also has the moonie example of the washington times to show that profit doesn't necessarily equate to power.  It's all about power and rubbing shoulders with the elite.  I think ailes is more worried about what will happen to his network if the Democrats take the Congress this time.  It will be an earthquake to foxspews if that happens.  They'll only have the WH in their corner then.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:41:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's quite possible, dougymi, but (2+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        dougymi, grayday101

        I've also heard it said that such events would actually strengthen Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest by giving them even more reasons to push an "us-against-the-evil-liberals" approach which would give them a chance of keeping and perhaps even expanding their audiences.

        If they can convince people now that somehow Christmas is under attack every year (!), I'd say it's quite possible they could pull this spinfest as well.

        But I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

        Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

        by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:50:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  no doubt they'll try that tack (1+ / 0-)

          Recommended by:
          bwintx

          it worked for them when Clinton was in office and they'll certainly try it again.  Our hope, and it may be a small one, is to promote good legislation and exercise good oversight over the executive.  They'll spin that as obstructionism, but it may be a hard sell if it's true.  

          I don't think the christmas thing sells very well as it appeals only to the 36% base and always has, but the obstructionism charge could stick. It's gotta be handled very delicately which is one reason the Dem leadership has been downplaying impeachment.  

          We have to present ourselves as the reasonable ones in this debate and hopefully we can get some media (outside fox of course) to cover it once we have majorities.  As you say, it's not gonna be easy.  One good thing, fox may be #1 but they're still pretty small.  One or two million in a country of 300 million isn't that big.

                             

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 11:22:58 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Ailes is a sack of dog shit (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx, JerseyGirl226

    and deserves to go to the poor house

    I can only hope some of the shady things he's done to influence elections and events in our country come to light

    I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

    by Tamifah on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:34:53 AM PDT

  •  Grab for it while they still can (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx

    The window of opportunity is fast closing.
    It's fun to watch Fox spin Foley, State of Denial, Iraq and Afganistan all on the same day.  

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:36:23 AM PDT

  •  Tip jar (13+ / 0-)

    TIA for any and all mojo, friends and neighbors.

    Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

    by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:36:37 AM PDT

  •  one thing that's been propping FOX up... (10+ / 0-)

    A friend of mine discontinued regular satellite programming and has subscribed to a Christian satellite package--partly because of her concern about what her children might see on regular satellite broadcasts, but mostly because the Christian package costs only $14 a month compared to around $60, and they still get channels with movies such as Hallmark and the old reruns on TVLand.

    But here's the kicker: everyone who subscribes to this Christian package gets only one news channel--Faux News. So all the fundies who have decided to opt for Christian-only programming, which is probably a fairly good number nowadays, are counted in FOX's viewership numbers. And they have no other option if they want to watch the news. So this is helping prop up FOX's numbers.

    As a funny side note, I'd been telling my friend for quite a while what a propaganda organ Faux News is, and now that it's the only one she can watch, rather than flipping back and forth between it and CNN and MSNBC, she admitted to me that I was right all along. It's totally biased and rife with propaganda straight from the White House, and she can hardly stand to watch it anymore.

    And it's actually helped convert her to our side. She used to dislike Clinton, but she thought he came across as totally sensible in the recent 9/11 interview and Wallace and O'Reilly as total idiots. A few days ago, she told me she's changing her voter registration from Republican to Independent and asked me which Democrats I thought she should vote for in the upcoming elections.

    •  Very hopeful stuff, chantedor (0+ / 0-)

      When I said "the open-mouthed who ... couldn't be budged off his channel with a blowtorch" I was referring to those who would kept their minds closed. Glad to hear about your friend. Hope she keeps opening her eyes wider and listening to you.

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:46:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mexcians Protest Against MegaCable (0+ / 0-)

      Speaking of biased programming, please find below a link to a video showing Centrists and Progressives in Mexico protest against MegaCable, a MSO in Mexico, whose management team has strong ties to the PAN, the sister party of the GOP in Mexico.

      http://www.youtube.com/...

      They threatened to pull their cable subscriptions unless Megacable stopped inserting unlawful ads supporting Rightwing Nut Calderon, and impugning the character of AMLO, a Centrist who was a victim of election fraud.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

      by PatriciaVa on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:00:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm a Cablevision subscriber (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Vico, bwintx, isis2

    And if they dumped Fox because they cost too much, I would throw a PARTY!

    Sad to say, by the way, they have done some great coverage on live stories while CNN and MSNBC were rerunning taped documentaries for the umpteenth time. Go figure.

    (Bush) believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. -- Colbert

    by makemefree on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:51:43 AM PDT

    •  makemefree, totally agree re live coverage (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      Vico

      If only CNN would return to what Ted Turner originally intended for it, that would be great for electronic journalism and great for this country. While I'm glad we have DKos and all the rest, we shouldn't have to come here to get the truth.

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:57:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Yesterday Keith called him a Fat Ass on air! (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx, bayside

    "The original Star Trek is the Word." Bones: Chapter 1, verse 1

    by steelman on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:54:19 AM PDT

    •  And it was a wonderful thing to hear n/t (2+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      Vico, steelman

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:57:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  How are MSNBC's ratings? (0+ / 0-)

      I also think the pocketbook is how to change the media: Air America here in the Bay Area owned by Clearchannel just added a real effective leftie Stephanie Miller to 6-9 AM and she's right next to O'Lielly on the am dial 960 - I wrote to quakeradio to thank them, everything we can do to thank MSNBC for Saint Keith helps our cause...

      Everyone, ask your cableco to have MSNBC/CNN only not Faux....
      Also can't we contact the FCC about whether our needs are being served? Doesn't each license have to be renewed?

      •  Fox is sinking yes..... (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        dotcommodity

        I also live in clear channel country...Used to be all you could get was rush, oreilly, hannity on radio,and on TV 5 times a day.I refused to listen to that threatening talk..Noticed lately oreilly only on 3 times on TV and hannity once a day.  Cant get progessive  radio at all...Its all good,because I dont need them to tell me whats going on...I will get my own news....Hope they enjoyed that propaganda money because its coming to an end real soon,,

      •  Licenses apply only to broadcast stations (1+ / 0-)

        FCC regulation of cable systems is more about their rates, installation and maintenance issues, and other such items. FCC regulation of the content of cable programming is minimal to non-existent -- although there have been attempts to change that, as (for one example) you can read in this 2005 Hollywood Reporter article.

        Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

        by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:45:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  when they count ratings (0+ / 0-)

    do they count all the Fox news on in bowling allies and airports, ie not really indicative of what people choose individually to watch?
    You're just stuck with govt teevee there

    •  Ratings typically are compiled (1+ / 0-)

      from either diaries or set-top boxes, depending on the ratings company, but almost always from households exclusively. And, as you imply, we're fortunate that's the case or FNC's ratings would appear even larger due to the "enforced" viewing that occurs at many retail locations (such as my much-dreaded quarterly vehicle maintenance -- much-dreaded because my auto dealer's TV is always on Fox, and I therefore am forced to listen to, if not watch, Fox's damn Saturday stock markets "block").

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:17:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Often when I am in a waiting room (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        dotcommodity

        and that crap is on, I will very friendly and politely ask if anyone minds if we change the channel.. Very frequently, people are relieved, or at least don't really care.  I have never had anyone be hostile. A couple of times, someone has said I'm watching it or we don't have a remote...
        Give it a try.  Don't just leave it on.

        Be the change you want to see in the world.

        by empathy on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:23:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The car dealer's TV (1+ / 0-)

          is in a big, pre-fitted cube (or I'd have walked over and changed it myself any number of times, especially when few or no other customers were there early on a Saturday); and the remote apparently was ditched long ago.

          Good for you, though, empathy!

          Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

          by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:28:44 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  no worries (0+ / 0-)

            Just friendly up to the counter and say,  "Hey, DO you guys mind if we change the channel?"
            The worst thing that will happen is they will say , "No" and you will still have to watch it!
            Nothing lost.

            Be the change you want to see in the world.

            by empathy on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 02:29:29 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  By the way, protest if you see that (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      dotcommodity

      Following the example of an intrepid kossack who posted here months ago about his or her experience getting a business owner to turn off the propaganda, I've started communicating my disapproval to the management whenever I encounter this.

      If it's a small business, I simply tell them politely that I will take my business elsewhere long as they show right-wing propaganda. And I leave. If it's a quasi-public place, like an airport, I drop a comment wherever I find an opportunity.

      If enough of us do that consistently, the message will start to get out there. I've noticed that one of the worst offenders in my neck of the woods now has one TV on CNN and the other on ESPN instead of both on fox. (I couldn't avoid them that time because I was with a group.)

  •  I always knew... (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx

    Faux News was a "two bit" network.

    Ailes wants Cablevision to increase [its] payment from 25 cents to one dollar per viewer

    you can't spell BUllSHit without BUSH.

    by Ralph51269 on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:06:48 AM PDT

  •  God I hope our local cable providers (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    unterhausen, bwintx

    tell fatboy Ailes to shove his fee increases where the sun don't shine. Fox News with the pigs O'Reilly/Hannity/Hume/Wallace is not very welcome in San Francisco to begin with. Their departure from our TV screens would cause no hardship.

    •  Just read this more carefully and (1+ / 0-)

      hey, this really IS the answer!!!

      Lets DEFINITELY CALL OUR CABLE COMPANIES TODAY AND ASK FOR A NO FOX OPTION!!!!!!

      It seems that the Fox News contract with Cablevision is up for renewal and he wants more money, a lot more money.
      Ailes wants Cablevision to increase [its] payment from 25 cents to one dollar per viewer -- twice the amount CNN receives -- or else. Cablevision is not promising anything beyond 50 cents, so the situation could get very interesting.


      10 MINUTES EACH

      TO CHANGE THE WAY AMERICANS SEE WHASSUP:

      WILL YOU CALL TODAY????
      We can reverse boycott this easy!

    •  I hate to think I'm paying a quarter (0+ / 0-)

      a month to those guys

  •  Olbermann and Crawford did (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Vico, bwintx

    a beautiful syncronized and coordinated hit job on Ailes last night on Countdown.  This was in response to Crawford crying how is main suck-boy Chris Wallace had been set up by Clinton.  Crawford's book 'Don't blame the messenger' starts out with the hack job Ailes orchestrated against Dan Rather.

    His book opens with a revealing anecdote on how George H.W. Bush and his then-chief handler, Roger Ailes (now chairman of Fox Television News), set up former CBS-TV anchorman Dan Rather during an interview with Bush in 1988.

    At the time, Vice President Bush was seeking the presidency and the Iran-contra scandal was looming large in the headlines. Bush had yet to be heard from about the clandestine sale of arms to Iran and the funneling of funds to the Nicaraguan rebels. In fact, his role has not been thoroughly examined to this day.

    At the outset of the interview Bush went on the attack against Rather, claiming his line of questioning had impugned his integrity.

    Crawford learned from the cameramen who were on hand at the time that Ailes held up huge lettered cue cards prompting Bush to be confrontational. Crawford said cameramen felt the network had copped out by not revealing to the public that Bush was prompted to go after Rather.

    It was all rather good.  I tried to find the transcript or a video to no avail.

    (-9.00, -8.92) Those Who Hear Not the Music, Think the Dancers Mad

    by craigb on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:14:23 AM PDT

    •  The above was suppose to read (0+ / 0-)

      'was in response to Ailes crying how ...'

      (-9.00, -8.92) Those Who Hear Not the Music, Think the Dancers Mad

      by craigb on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:15:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Craig Crawford... (0+ / 0-)

      ...seems a lot less pro-Bush than he was as late as a year or two ago. There was one point at which he finally seemed to realize that this current crowd does not believe in freedom of expression and of the press, after which he has become much more adversarial about GWB et al. Why it took him so long to grasp that, well, I dunno.

      Now, if he could just drop his constant, unintentional Pat Robertson imitation... yewwww.

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:21:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I would never have said (0+ / 0-)

        that Craig was "pro-bush" but he did seem to try to steer to the middle of the road.  Since he is a professional journalist and he works for Congretional Quarterly, you'd expect nothing less.

        But you are right, someting happend around the time he release his book where he didn't pretend to play the independent professional journalist and use his own voice.

        (-9.00, -8.92) Those Who Hear Not the Music, Think the Dancers Mad

        by craigb on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:27:42 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Easy answer for Cable-Cos...Give Fox the buck (4+ / 0-)

    they're asking for, then change their station from being part of 'basic cable' to 'premium cable'...Ailes gets his $1 a viewer, only he gets about 1/5 the number of viewers he had before.  I'd love to be a Cable executive right now...

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:19:33 AM PDT

  •  5:00 a.m. meetings? (0+ / 0-)

    If I ever received notice of a 5:00 a.m. meeting, my response would be my letter of resignation.

    •  The curse of filthy lucre, perhaps? (0+ / 0-)

      These folks make a helluva lot of money. As their own lack of journalistic standards have already shown, they're in it for the money. Not for the truth. For the money. If showing at 5 AM means the money keeps coming, ennh. They show at 5 AM.

      Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by bwintx on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:23:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  By the way, for you Olbermann fans (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    philipmerrill

    If you have spent much time watching Olbermann you will have noted that one of his best partners in crime is Craig Crawford.  You can find some of their banter on YouTube.

    At any rate Craig's blog is going to a new spot.  He's a good writer and feed much of the what's really happening in DC to Keith.  Pick it up here first.

    (-9.00, -8.92) Those Who Hear Not the Music, Think the Dancers Mad

    by craigb on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 10:22:02 AM PDT

  •  Sounds like perfect timing to me! n/t (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    bwintx

    "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

    by JNEREBEL on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 11:11:49 AM PDT

Permalink | 40 comments